Rule 3: We are seeing many changes in the hiring/retention environment in the airlines in the USA. But of course, you can also have all news mailed right onto your desktop, too. She nearly received a crew room beat down from one of my favorite ( but also very hot blooded) flight attendants. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. [1]:5 Investigators found that the localizer antenna was surrounded by 25ft (0.611.52m) of snow; after confirming the reported localizer misalignment, the snow was cleared, and this caused correct localizer alignment to be restored. The United flights for the Newark-Presque Isle service are operated by CommuteAir, which is partly owned by United. CommutAir Flight 4933 - Per WP: COMMONNAME, crashes of . Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. [1]:7[6] The airport was closed in reaction to the accident. This accident occurred less than 2 weeks after the Atlas crash. Left Virgin for "Paper work issues", never heard that reason before. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. The runway had been plowed about ten minutes earlier. An earlier approach had been aborted. We tell them Our goal here is to overwhelm you to see how you handle it I watched one applicant put us in a 30 degree nose down tuning a radio. Anyone got any suggestions? And before anyone starts screaming discrimination and racism, go F off, I know pilots of every sex, color and creed that are outstanding aviators, AND I know white pilots that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them! It was a woman. We climbed out on a ladder with the help of local firefighters, he said. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. The flying pilot should have executed to go around yet did not. NTSB database search results for Presque Isle, Maine. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. Nobody gets a pass for sex and skin color. On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Fired from what airline ? The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The National Transportation Safety Board traveled to the scene of this accident. The NTSB released their findings in July of 2022. So we fired him. I had no idea that snow could affect the localizer signal. The first officer commenced a second approach and verified that the aircraft was aligned with the ILS localizer. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. It is not clear what may have caused this to happen, Smith said. By thoroughly investigating all of the factors that led to the plane missing the runway, the final report issued by the NTSB today can help ensure that this kind of preventable accident never happens again.. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. Occhione v. PSA Airlines, Inc., Case No. ALPA needs to be stop defending these pilots all the time. Publicado hace 1 segundo. The CommutAir managing director of safety could not state a reason why the reports were not filed earlier. At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." I do not see how PRD will help that kind of situation. Accident Reports are one of the main products of an NTSB investigation. Both pilots had missed entirely the runway, which was covered in about inch of snow, and only about 20% to 25% of it was visible. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. Oh well, its not like lives are at stake or anything. Where is the NTSB Report on Commutair 4933? We smelled some burning, but nothing was on fire. The NTSB announced two investigators have been dispatched to Presque Isle to investigate the accident of the United Express Embraer ERJ-145XR. Airborne 02.24.23: GAMA 2022 Report, Piper News, Starship March Launch. A quick survey of existing regional airline crash articles reveals a lack of naming consistency, and there is also no uniform naming convention in the aviation accident style guide. Read recent air safety reports, incidents and news about Commutair. The NTSB concluded that the probable cause of the accident was confirmation bias which prompted the crew to continue descending even though they had not positively identified the runway. Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow Covered Runway. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. and our I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . The service runs two outbound and inbound flights per day on weekdays and one outbound and one inbound flight per day on weekends. that one. Accident: Commutair E145 at Presque Isle. Simple Flying will be at the Farnborough Airshow next week. Unfortunately, it was implemented way too late to catch things like Atlas and this, but thats the nature of the beast: reactive and years behind at best. To fill out this checklist, please add the following code to the template call: I've removed the link to Delta Air Lines Flight 1086 because, although it also involves snow and poor visibility, that accident was fundamentally caused by the aircrew's failure to maintain control after the aircraft touched down on the correct runway. One pilot and three passengers were injured, and the aircraft was substantially damaged. 2008-2023 by The Aviation Herald, all rights reserved, reprint and republishing prohibited. X File Under: <Fuel> Circulate To: General Manager Service Manager Parts Manager Service Advisors Technicians Body Shop Manager Fleet Repair X X X X SUBJECT: GROUP MODEL FUE 2017-2019MY Niro (DE HEV) NUMBER DATE 041 August 2019 TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. I understand that there could be some malicious company managers that could abuse this, but there has to be a way to tell hiring managers that a pilot is a danger. Not sure if this Captain is one of them, but she sure does seem to have had quite a few more failures then I would be comfortable flying with. 3:11-cv-05 | Casetext Search + Citator. Moreover, prior to the second landing, the pilots discontinued the ILS approach after they had misidentified the runway. She had accumulated a total of 5,655 flight hours, 1,044 of them on the Embraer EMB-145XR. The failed landing was the second attempt to land. A United Express Embraer EMB-145XR similar to the one involved in the accident. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. NTSB/AAR-17-02 - Collision with Terrain Promech Air, Inc. de Havilland DHC-3, N270PA; Ketchikan, Alaska; June 25, 2015. It's interesting to see what gets released fairly quickly (such as the 909 accident) or takes forever. While she had been a de Havilland Canada DHC-8 first officer with CommutAir, she had received a disciplinary letter and been subject to nine months of monitoring before being allowed to pursue captain upgrade training. It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Low bid contractor you get what you pay for. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. Gotta wonder how many more lives need to be lost as a result of airlines looking to fill seats in the cockpit, before they realize sex and skin color are not relevant to qualifications to fly airplanes! In October 2020, FAA provided additional guidance for airport operators about snow removal around navigational aids. Flight Conducted Under: Part 121: Air Carrier - Scheduled. United/CommutAir 4933 had departed from Newark, New Jersey, and was scheduled to land at Presque Isle at 10:49 a.m., but instead arrived about 45 minutes behind schedule. [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. Pilots I know firsthand, who had massive training and proficiency issues, are now working for major carrierssome in heavy jets, others in the NB left seat. The airplane was substantially damaged. The EMB145XR subsequently impacted the snow-covered grassy area between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. We give them kids stuff. This was the second approach to runway 1 . The first officer was the pilot flying and the captain was the pilot monitoring. [1]:34, The NTSB commented on the captain's flight training record. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. Landing under that set of circumstances is a fools errand. The pilots conversed directly with airport maintenance staff because Presque Isle International Airport did not have a local, National Transportation Safety Board Aviation Accident Final Report, "NTSB: United Express plane missed runway in Presque Isle", "5 injured after flight from Newark slides off snowy runway in Maine", "Safety board says cockpit crew caused 2019 Presque Isle crash landing", "Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow Covered Runway", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1120030447, This page was last edited on 4 November 2022, at 18:29. Ive always heard of LOFT as Lack Of Fucking Talent. This was the second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. It sounds like visual illusions, problems with the localizer in the snow, and sticking to SOP seem to be some of the biggest factors here. The pilot flying was a man. Crew missed first approach bc something didnt look right when they went visual, then apparently just sorta yolod it on the second attempt and had some severe confirmation bias when looking at what they thought were the runway/lights. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Investigation Report. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. Published by on June 29, 2022. The accident took place on a snowy day in 2019 at Presque Isle International Airport. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Commutair. ^^^ You nailed it. Well, the first attempt they pulled up before landing so obviously something was wrong, he said. PRIA is a complete joke. And for such a serious incident too, anything involving airlines usually takes 2 years. This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation I'm personally still waiting to see what happened to the American that struck ground and a few others at JFK. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on the flight returning from Columbus, Ohio, where Cassie Daigle was competing in a kettlebell event at the Arnold Sports Expo. The Aviation Herald offers quite sophisticated criteria to enable you select exactly those news, that are of real interest to you. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. The carrier that won the hunger games contract wars of 2020. This isnt just a regional problem. Daigle said the plane then bounced four or five times before coming to a stop at a location far from the runway. Photos showed some of the landing gear stuck in one of the engines. 2017. The accident was attributed to confirmation bias which prompted the flight crew to continue descending even though they could not see the runway due to snow; poor decision-making by the captain, fatigue of the first officer, and problems with the airport's instrument landing system were identified as contributing factors. He had been recently suffering from the flu and had lost sleep, and had made only limited and inconsistent use of his prescribed continuous positive airway pressure machine for several days leading to the accident. A Commutair Embraer ERJ-145 on behalf of United, registration N14171 performing flight CS-4933/UA-4933 from Newark,NJ to Presque Isle,ME (USA) with Jul 8, 2022 . CommutAir/United Express #UA4933 from Newark landed in Presque Isle and left the runway to the right. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. Get the news right onto your desktop when they happen, The human factor named "Simon Hradecky" and the team of man and machine. The airplane was substantially damaged. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. "[1]:3, About 36 hours before the accident, a CommutAir flight crew had noticed the lateral localizer error and reported it to the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center; however, FAA procedures dictated that before a navigational aid malfunction could be officially reported, a second independent report of the error was needed, which had not been received. Light to moderate snow was reported by the NTSB. NTSB/AAR-17-01 - Aircraft Accident Report: Loss of Control at Takeoff Air Methods Corporation Airbus Helicopters AS350 B3e, N390LG ; Frisco, CO; July 3, 2015. Nonetheless, they didnt call for a second go-around. The airplane was substantially damaged. The NTSBs final report provides no new recommendations, but notes that CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety. The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. 553 .1972 12 8, N9031U (City of Lincoln): 2 737-222 : 1 . . On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, The report determined the probable causes of this accident to be, The first officers fatigue, which exacerbated his confirmation bias, and. His specialist knowledge of Latin American airlines and close relationship with the likes of Aeromexico, Avianca, Volaris brings depth to our coverage in the region. What should the crew have done to avoid the runway excursion and hard landing? For all the latest news from the show click here! I remember her from when I got hired at VX. Washington, D.C. Today, U.S. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Our lawyer told me that I could not say anything regarding this pilot other than "ineligible for rehire" or we could get sued for defamation(?). CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. As I said, drama might as well have been her middle name. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. The NTSB report uses CommutAir in favor of United Express and through that, I note that nearly every article is mentioned through that convention (excluding Colgan Air Flight 3407 and a lengthy discussion about it took place if you see the archives.