Scripture is Good! Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. 46. I know the answers now. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. [8], The New IFB website states that it is not a denomination and that New IFB pastors have differing views over minor theological issues. 9 Their worship of me is pointless, because their teachings are rules made by humans.. I have no opinion on this In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the lawjustice, mercy, and faith. Wherever there are people, there is sin. First Works had previously been the site of protests by activists opposed to its anti-LGBTQ teachings, but police reported there was no evidence linking the protesters to the bombing. 42. Jesus said I came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.. Judah has always been with God. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. The Bible is our sole and final authority for faith and practice. I have 3 children I sometimes spank I sometimes lecture. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 8. If youve been taught that robbing God (not giving 10% of gross income) is the special, one specific sin that will cause God to lift all protection of your life and allow satan FULL LIBERTY to destroy you. Well Pastor Wilkerson is no longer here, and welllll.as far as Im concerned will never be the same. 33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband. 1 John 1:9 If you believe that stateaccreditationfor a college is bad because it means that the government dictates what that college can/does teach,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 30. We believe that the strict, literal interpretation of the Bible makes us Baptists. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. 3 So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but dont follow their example. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. If your not getting a lot out of your bible read I would recommend a switch to Kjv and to define any word you dont know Slow down reading and meditate on what your reading dont read as a duty each day but as a searching for fellowship each day. Scofield Bible!!!! God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. I believe tithing is good and God blesses those who tithe. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Im mocking IFB beliefs many of which arent scriptural. Everyone has health issues. I know you scoff at my pity but there it is. For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in peoples faces. 8. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. 23 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. You should have, instead of adding a dozen or so of your comments, said If you believe everything in the Bible, you might be an Independent Baptist. Please correct me if Im wrong, but arent we supposed to follow the teachings of the Bible, such as tithing? Only thing Ill add to the list is, You might be an IFB if you greet all visitors with huge smiles, handshakes, and extreme cheerfulness. I feel sorry for all the visitors we almost accosted now; no wonder some never came back! No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. When this life is over, it doesnt matter! OMG! I mean, why would you think its too liberal to sing anything other than hymns in the church because, there are some churches within the Southern Baptist Convention, which is different from the IFB, that have a contemporary music worship in one service and have traditional hymns in another service. If the IFB churches are hurting the cause of Christ, would your attitude and example also hurt His cause. Can God heal if it be his will yes he can. The women that I befriended in this church will always be my sister in Christ. We believe in verbal, plenary inspiration in the original writings, and God's preservation of His pure words to every generation (II Timothy 3:16, Psalms 12:6-8). Thanks for reading! On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. We dont mind being scrutinized or even judged. We recognize the ordinances of baptism by immersion in water and the Lord's Supper as a Scriptural means of testimony for local churches in this age (Matthew. It emphasizes love at the expense of truth. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 55. What is the Baptist Church, and what do Baptists believe? WebOur Mission. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! 12. Read Matthew 23 for more information. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. Our accountability comes through a board of directors comprised of 24 independent fundamental Baptist pastors who, in turn, were elected to serve as directors by independent fundamental Baptist pastors. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. Come and join. [4][5], A split in the New IFB occurred in January 2019, after Donnie Romero, pastor at Stedfast Baptist Church-Fort Worth (SBC), resigned after it was revealed he had hired prostitutes, smoked marijuana and gambled. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. If you confuse the KJV with the KJB, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 3. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. I have read other versions of the Bible. We wanted Gods blessing of Mariage. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. The problem is assuming intent instead of asking. To be brought back to the norm of what being a Christian is all about. We struggled putting off our addictions, but over came them trough prayer. They bought your loyalty. I must put it in Jesus Christ. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. If you believe everything said in this article then you must not have spent much or any time in a fundamental church. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. You feel forced to go door to door preaching No general opinion on this since door to door preaching within the IFB is very similar to that of the Jehovahs Witnesses though we should share the gospel to others, especially to those who dont have Christ in their lives. I understand others dont like hearing God gave inspiration to the Kjv, but its true. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. No one leaves on good terms unfortunately. If you laugh (snicker, sneer, roll your eyes, etc.) OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. Yes, believers disagree, theres nothing wrong with that. If you believe that someone who smokes, drinks, parties, dances, listens to secular music, listens to Christian contemporary music, etc. At one point in my life I would have agreed with 45 of your 55 litmus tests, plus a few others. We believe in the natural divisions of Scriptures as a basis for study. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. No official opinion on this though as I said we should discipline our children the same way God disciplines us Everything is about Him, He is a jealous God. No, thats silly! You should read my article on that: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, Dont get me wrong but tithing is still scriptural, even within the New Testament. Hope you have a great day! 38. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. We had no money. We believe that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but that in Adam's sin the race fell, inherited a sinful nature, and became alienated from God; and therefore man is totally depraved, and, of himself, utterly unable to remedy his lost conditin (Genesis 1: 26- 27; Romans 3: 2 2-23; Ephesians 2 : 1-3, 12). We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. If you think that three church services per week is the minimum and that you must attend all three every week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 9. An individual independent church might come up with their own definition of faith, they might subscribe to a preexisting one, or they might not use any. Christ died for his sin already, so he had already been forgiven by God. The reality is the ONLY TRUE CHURCH is the church that PRACTICES BIBLICAL TEACHINGS and NOT THAT OF MAN-MADE TEACHINGS because THEY ARE AGAINST THE BIBLE because I do ask the question that why there are so many churches. Please get away from the IFB as far as you can, as fast as you can. Its insidious and extremely toxic. For which is more importantthe gift on the altar or the altar that makes the gift sacred? OMG = Oh My Goodness! We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ accomplished our redemption through His finished work on the cross as a representative, vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice; and that our justification is made sure by His literal, physical resurrection from the dead (Romans 3:24-25; I Peter 2:24; Ephesians 1:7; I Peter 1:3-5). Believing that going to the movies is sinful but not renting them or watching them on TV I dont see anything wrong about going to the movies because I went to the movies years ago. Some true, some not so much. The IFB church I attend preaches cleaning the heart not performing works. I can tell by your grammar and spelling that you arent very educated (just an observation not a judgment). Also, please scroll up for additional information regarding your objections which Ive responded to ad nauseam. 8 Dont let anyone call you Rabbi, for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters. Hypocrites! They knew it would be an investment in your giving and service to them (yes they are that evil). Interesting that Steve begins his response by taking the Lords name in vainmmmmmmm, very interesting, but hes found the truth, riiiiight. I hope whatever poor experience you had hasnt taken you away from the faith. ), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 41. Great job adding a bit of levity! Our only Head is the Lord Jesus Christ and our only headquarters is heaven. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). The True Church: The doctrine of a believer's church is a key belief in Baptist life. I forgave him before he changed. In the last days, you will get churches like you have described in your initial post, but not all of them are the same. We got saved that day September 14, 2014. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. the appearance of things is more important than reality, aka, you will cover up abuse and silence victims in order to protect the name of Christ. If you believe that the wine referred to in the Bible is nothing more than fruit of the vine (AKA grape juice), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 26. Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. I think its easy to look at the pastor as an authority figure, someone who holds some position above you, but most of them just want that connection with you, they care, they love you, they just want whats best for you. Grow your faith in a less toxic environment. WebThe 1920 Baptist Fundamentals declared, The fundamental principle of the Baptists, in common with many other evangelicals, has always been the gospel, which is the essence I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. If this method were a stock, who would invest in it with such a low return. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. Wow! 4,2, and 7 month old. Many of these are down right untruthful . I hope you found some church that preaches the truth (even though they may differ on some things with me). I dare say probably not. Matthew 6:14-15 is a warning not a command. Others are very much unfair criticism. Some of these doctrines are as listed. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ was raised bodily and that He ascended to Heaven and is now exalted at the right hand of God, where, as our High Priest, He fulfills the ministry of Representative, Intercessor, and Advocate (Acts 1:9-10; Hebrews 9:24, 7:25; Romans 8:34; I John 2:1-2). The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series I have an old high school friend here with me who started visiting churches. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: WebWe believe that Jesus gave Christians two ordinances: The Lords Supper and Baptism. Simply not true. We affirm without apology the doctrines frequently identified as the Fundamentals of the Faith, which include the deity, virgin birth, sinless life, substitutionary death, bodily resurrection, and imminent return of Jesus Christ. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. 17. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. If you question if youre truly saved or not when youre having trouble accepting that giviing 10% of your gross income is a direct commandment for all Christians and if you dont give it, youre under a curse. lm 8:4-9; Colossians 3:9-11). People are more willing to change their ways when confronted in love rather then with criticism and bitterness. That apparently is what Christ would do. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. 30. The membership Its my calling and my ministry. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). Auckland, New Zealand, New IFB pastor Logan Robertson was deported from Australia in July 2018 after being accused of harassing Muslims at two Brisbane mosques. If you think that the KJV is inspired, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 2. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? I did learn a lot. Wow, nice list. According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. We dont believe if you get rid of all the sin in your life youll be a completely healthy person. More than one earring per ear for women is worldly I dont agree that multiple earrings per ear for women is worldly as long its not fancy. 31. 2. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things. Like I said, funny post, but a bit judgmental as well. Out of over 30 , maybe 5 in 25 years I have no belief, opinion, or position of this These are not sacraments to earn salvation, but privileges granted by grace. (Genesis 2:24; Romans 7:2; 1 Corinthians 7:10; Ephesians 5:22-23), We believe that God expressly forbids intimate sexual activity be engaged in outside of a marriage between one man and one woman. 18 And you say that to swear by the altar is not binding, but to swear by the gifts on the altar is binding. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. 32. Or deciding not to clap for special music? When you discover that female is indeed wearing the acceptable dress, skirt or koulotts youre so relieved to know that shes right with God ! Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). This is assuming that the parable of the prodigal son is some kind of instruction on how to deal with a troubled child My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Im sad to here that fellow Christians cant get along, and I will start praying for all Churchs to be revived. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different. 41. Also God commands us to try the spirits to see if they are of God that implies God gave us the power of discernment 1 John 4: 1-5. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical. If you believe that women are inferior to men and are to be submissive to their husbands, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 32. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. What surprises me, though, is that he was ordained as a pastor and actually called to pastor DL Moodys church in Massachusetts as a divorced man. Baptists are traditionally strong believers in Biblical authority. 10. If you party, DO NOT drink. THE PARABLE IS NOT A GUIDE NOR DID JESUS SAY THAT ITS A MAP ON HOW TO DEAL with a wayward child!! There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. [9][10] On the weekend of the third anniversary of the shooting, the New IFB held a "Make America Straight Again" conference at an Orlando-area New IFB church. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! Hypocrites! at people who raise their hands during worship music you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 34. Who are the Free Will Baptists, and what do they believe? If you think that singing anything other than hymns in church is too liberal, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 15. I had my part. You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. Take a look here: https://www.openbible.info/topics/tithe_in_the_new_testament. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. Some of these are very much right on the money. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. If you believe that everyone who opposes IFB doctrine is just bitter, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 48. I prefer Kjv! We believe education in the world is good, but the teaching of evolution needs to be addressed if the individual is a little kid as false doctrine. If your pastor begins his sermon by reading one verse then yells and pounds the pulpit for the next 30 minutes, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 17. Ive used tattoos but not permanent ones. I was sincerely disappointed. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! For you build tombs for the prophets your ancestors killed, and you decorate the monuments of the godly people your ancestors destroyed. Im happy to defend my position, but I dont tolerate assumptions, attacks, accusations, judgments, bullying or anything of the like. 6 And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. There are those who are called to rebuke abusive religious practices. If you believe that you will be rewarded or punished according to whether or not youve tithed faithfully, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 47. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. If you should cut your vacation short you should never miss church this has happened only once in my life when I went I was on my senior class trip. If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. There isn't much out there on the web. I can not forgive sins! Does the lord convict me when I miss? They are already spelled out in the Bible. A friendly fellowship group for members of local New Testament Independent Baptist churches. JUDAH. Gods people are the Jews.. from Jew-dajudah. Pastors daughter did my hair and cleaned my dress with baby wipes. Oh well, maybe another discussion. If you believe going to the movies is a sin but not renting movies or watching them on TV, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 10. We believe that the Holy Spirit is the Person who reproves the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment; and that He is the Supernatural Agent in regeneration, indwelling all believers and sealing them unto the day of redemption (John 16:8-11; II Corinthians 3:6; Romans 8:9; Ephesians 1:13-14). The Bible talks about a CHEERFUL GIVER. If a person gets right with God, then they will usually give, not because they have to, rather because they want to give. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. I remember a particular lesson in church about the rod and staff. Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? Scofield came to know Christ AFTER all of that, so I dont hold that against him. That makes no sense. WebIndependent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. 15 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. They are shared in my article about tithing: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/. This is because we live in this flesh. They said no mixed bathing. Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. G. M. Matheny. Should I choose not to forgive after Christ has already died for him? (Acts 2:42), It is a betrayal of the unity of believers based upon sound doctrine of the historic Christian Faith. Wow. He wasnt saying that spanking is right or wrong, but that definitely extreme discipline and beating kids is not what the Bible teaches. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. You might be an IFB if Your child has went to church there 3x a week, his whole life, but when he leaves the church, your to have nothing to do with them. We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. However, the churches are united by a number of doctrines. (Romans 13:1-7; Ephesians 5:21-6:4; Hebrews 13:17; I Peter 2:13-15). The New IFB is strongly opposed to homosexuality, with several pastors advocating the belief that homosexuals should be executed by the government. Hypocrites! My husband sinned, and wanted forgiveness. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. 50. I can count on one hand the number of IFBs whove asked for a discussion instead of attacking me. 16 Blind guides! God is the only one who can forgive mans sins. The members were so sweet to us. Point is that we are to edify with love and meekness all brothers and sisters in Christ, not criticize in front of a lost world. I love this!! Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. 47. IFB church members know how to laugh and have fun. Since the origins of the church, Baptists have said the Bible is the only authority for Christian faith And if a lost person were to stumble upon this page and read your list and how you respond to any differing opinions, would you be helping plant a seed? WebSecond, it is Fundamental. 13 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Pastor and his wife did pay for the reception, photography, and shower.